Improve behavior of hyperlinks: support uncommon extensions, allow undo

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    Frank (Workflowy Support)

    Hi Juan,

    We are working on an embedded hyperlinks feature, which will allow one the fine control that you want. It will be the typical "Ctrl+K" dynamic where you can edit the text highlighted with any link you wish (or remove it). 

    Ok... so that's on the way in due course. You are also running into issues precisely because we've (partly) implemented the beginning of this feature: we can now edit the actual text of any link to anything you want – by maneuvering your cursor into the link, typing your text and then deleting the original link text on either side. A couple of bugs have crept in with this... notably that when pasting hyperlinks into WorkFlowy, you may need to add a space after the link for it to be activated (I think we've fixed this). 

    Typing in or pasting "https://site.app" works as expected. "site.app" won't be converted (but soon we'll be able to create hyperlinks via a popup dialog box).

    Typically anything we type in that is a top-level country domain will automatically convert. So "user.id" will convert because ".id" is for "Indonesia". So anything on this list will be auto-converted:

    https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/tlds/

    Soon we'll be able to edit the embedded link (or remove it). 

    As far as your tags suggestion... unfortunately (or fortunately for WorkFlowy users in general) this dynamic will not change. It's part and parcel of what millions of users expect now. 

     

    ~ Frank

     

     

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    Juan

    Thanks for the reply, Frank!

    Yes, I've noticed the new capability of editing the next in a hyperlink, which is really neat! I use it all the time, including to turn https://site.app type links into site.app (with link).

    I'm happy that you're also adding the capability of removing links from ".id" suffixed terms also.

    As for the tag features (@ and #), it would be nice to remove those "links" also (or maybe give us the choice of disabling the tagging feature), but I respect Workflowy's design decision and will keep using this great app regardless.

    Cheers!

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    Alfred Peters

    @juan, I just want to call out that last sentence:
    "but I respect Workflowy's design decision and will keep using this great app regardless."

    There are a ton of really passionate WorkFlowy users and we love to make feature requests, myself included. I love the attitude expressed here "I'd like this but I get that you guys have to make decisions". There a lot of things I'd love to see in WorkFlowy but it *is* already great! There's no Reddit gold to give here but if I could I would.

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    Frank (Workflowy Support)

    If folk here would like to join the WorkFlowy Users Group on Slack... please shoot me a message via help@workflowy.com :-) 

     

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    Malcolm Boekhoff

    I find that Workflowy automatically turns everything with a "." in it into a hyperlink, even copying a non-hyperlink and pasting it, you get a hyperlink.  It is very annoying and I would like to disable automatic hyperlinks completely, so that if you want a link you have to use CTRL-K.

    My work-around is to type the first part without the ".', followed by a space, then the "." second part and then go back and remove the space - time consuming!

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    George Orr

    As far as your tags suggestion... unfortunately (or fortunately for WorkFlowy users in general) this dynamic will not change. It's part and parcel of what millions of users expect now. 
    ~ Frank

    Most of our customers are happy, so we don't care about the rest of you. I personally find this attitude on the part of WorkFlowy to be unacceptable, even offensive. For every one person that comes to a forum and expresses a complaint or makes a request, there are a hundred other users with the same thought that never speak up. Just because most people are ok with how it works doesn't mean it couldn't be better. 

    Juan isn't the first to request the ability to suppress tag creation. I have personally seen it mentioned several times. His suggestion wouldn't interfere in the least with what "millions of users expect now". There is no reason the average daily user should experience anying different. The addition of a key combination to deactivate a selected tag, or doing it with ctrl+z immediately after the tags creation, or a settings switch to temporarily deactivate tag creation, or to disable them entirely - none of these options would affect anyone currently using tags, but many WorkFlowy users would benefit and appreciate them.

    Dynalist, for example, has a score of actions that can be accessed by going to settings and adding a keyboard shortcut to make the action available. Users who don't want a feature to be available just don't give it a shortcut, or remove the default shortcut if there is one. (Note, the ability to edit keyboard shortcuts is also a request WorkFlowy has dismissed. We've decided what the best shortcuts are. If you don't like them, your just wrong. )

    WorkFlowy's repeated dismissal of the request to allow tag suppression reflects the narrow minded attitude of "the way we work is best and everyone should just do it our way."

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    Frank (Workflowy Support)

    Hi George,

    Thank you for taking the time to express yourself.

    > "Most of our customers are happy, so we don't care about the rest of you."

    That's not at all what was conveyed. And the request was so specific and literally something that will never be implemented for very obvious reasons. It's a very unique letdown. In my opinion, sadly, you have mischaracterized and taken what I wrote out of a broader context (which was also written over a year ago – and perhaps I'm a changed man now), which, by any standards, was incredibly informative and helpful:

    Hi Juan,

    We are working on an embedded hyperlinks feature, which will allow one the fine control that you want. It will be the typical "Ctrl+K" dynamic where you can edit the text highlighted with any link you wish (or remove it). 

    Ok... so that's on the way in due course. You are also running into issues precisely because we've (partly) implemented the beginning of this feature: we can now edit the actual text of any link to anything you want – by maneuvering your cursor into the link, typing your text and then deleting the original link text on either side. A couple of bugs have crept in with this... notably that when pasting hyperlinks into WorkFlowy, you may need to add a space after the link for it to be activated (I think we've fixed this). 

    Typing in or pasting "https://site.app" works as expected. "site.app" won't be converted (but soon we'll be able to create hyperlinks via a popup dialog box).

    Typically anything we type in that is a top-level country domain will automatically convert. So "user.id" will convert because ".id" is for "Indonesia". So anything on this list will be auto-converted:

    https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/tlds/

    Soon we'll be able to edit the embedded link (or remove it). 

    As far as your tags suggestion... unfortunately (or fortunately for WorkFlowy users in general) this dynamic will not change. It's part and parcel of what millions of users expect now. 

     

    ~ Frank

     

     

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    George Orr

    Note that I posted accidentally and was editing my post when you replied. I disagree that his request to suppress tags was unique. I have seen it multiple times. And it is not at all obvious why it will never be implemented. It would not hurt the average user in any way to give others the ability to turn off a tag.

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    Frank (Workflowy Support)

    I will reflect on what you have said, George. Thank you for being real.

     

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    George Orr

    Honestly, I apologize for my attitude. I get worked up sometimes. I find that if say what I think immediately I regret my tone, but if take time to reflect and be reasonable I end up saying nothing. I'm not sure which is worse.

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    Frank (Workflowy Support)

    Hmmm maybe I shouldn't dismiss tag suppression... 

    I think the best way to go about this, potentially, would be for everyone to join the WorkFlowy Users Group on Slack... where there is a heck of a lot more engagement and direct communication with the whole WorkFlowy team, including Jesse, our CEO... and because of the interactive nature of the Slack group, it will not be a difficult undertaking to gauge general interest in any feature whatsoever... and gather support for a specific idea. Here's an invite link that will last 30 days:

    https://join.slack.com/t/workflowyusergroup/shared_invite/zt-pamjzoi9-K1cyDV4jlfLGNCpDqbGX2A

    The forum here is a vehicle for communication... however, it is a ghost town in comparison to the Slack community.

     

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    George Orr

    I noticed that for a minute you had posted a request regarding tag suppression. It appeared briefly under my activities, and now is gone. Comment? (Obviously, I don't know how to communicate privately with you).

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    Frank (Workflowy Support)

    Ummm... I was going to create a ticket to communicate privately about the Slack group... but decided it would be beneficial for anyone else dropping in :-) 

     

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