Option to place new or dropped-in bullets at the top or bottom of list
Hello. I would love a feature that allowed the user to specify where new or moved bullets show up in a list. Current it is slightly cumbersome to quickly and organically maintain a chronological list of new or added bullets to a list through various methods. Examples:
- When you create a new bullet in iOS using the big + sign, it adds a bullet to the top
- When you create a new bullet in the Chrome desktop app using the + sign at the bottom of the list, it adds a blank bullet to the bottom.
- When you drop a bullet(s) into a collapsed parent that already has children, it shows up at the top.
- When you hit enter after entering a new bullet in the list, it goes to the next line, which makes sense. (But if you are using a phone to quickly add items, the first bullet gets added at the top if you use the + sign...but then the + sign disappears behind the keyboard. So then you use the return key, but that adds a new bullet to the next line below rather than up top again. You have to keep hiding the keyboard to find the + sign again to keep items continually adding to the top.)
I'd basically like to be able to toggle a user-option that says "new bullets added to bottom" and "bullets dropped into collapsed parent added to bottom". I kind of like my lists to read as if I wrote them on lined paper--the first being up top and the last being on the bottom. Others will have their personal preference which be the opposite. Regardless, the ability for the user to standardize new or moved bullet creation would be great.
I realize there are workarounds, which is what I currently do, but they are slightly cumbersome nonetheless. Thank you for your consideration. I love WorkFlowy.
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Hi Cameron,
This is a real fine-grained explanation of WorkFlowy-wide behavior cross-platform when creating new bullets and dropping behavior. It would be hard to think of anything you may have left out (can't think of anything just yet)... oh wait... when you indent a list under a collapsed list, it ends up at the bottom (expected) as opposed to when you drop a bullet into a collapsed list and it lands at the top (which you pointed out). Just to say that your comprehensive write-up is much appreciated.
What would you say is the #1 behavior change/ feature you'd like out of those mentioned? Would it be with the plus button on mobile? Some have suggested that tapping gives you a new bullet either at the top or bottom of a list... while long-pressing gives you the opposite... along with the ability to customize the behavior.
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One idea:
The plus button on mobile could pop up two more plus buttons, one which would create a new bullet at the top of the list, and one which would create a new bullet at the bottom of the list.
I have seen other apps take a similar approach where the plus button pops up more buttons, e.g. Evernote.
Also, I tried turning on the new left bar on mobile, and lost the plus button. :(
Also, perhaps a bug: in the left bar on Android, the tree/list is not drag scrollable until a node is expanded, hence lower nodes are not accessible in the left bar when it is first opened.
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Hi Frank. Thanks for the response. And good thinking on the indent also. Yeah, if I had to prioritize, I’d say first would be a plus sign on mobile adding to bottom. Lest I blame the developers for this, I originally voted for it to show up top when added, but have since changed my mind. A close second would be to have dropped in items to closed bullets show up at the bottom.
Two ideas with the + button:
- On mobile, move the plus button above the keyboard when the keyboard pops up so one can continue to tap it. If it adds to the bottom though eventually, I suppose the return button will achieve the same thing.
- On the chrome web app, there is a plus button to the left of a parent that will add a parent sibling. But it might be nice to add a hidden plus sign that reveals itself as you hover over to the lower right of a child so that you can add a child sibling. This is probably getting into the lazy realm though, as it’s almost the same thing as clicking the end with my mouse with the additional needed step of hitting enter.
Thanks.
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Hi Cameron,
Thank you for expanding on your ideal Plus Button...
Does your wife use an iPhone or Android? Because along with the release of the experimental left bar for Android (activated in Settings), the Plus/ minus signs were changed to arrows.
Either, unbeknownst to me, this has rolled out on iOS but can only be seen if one activates the experimental left bar feature... or perhaps your wife is using Android and iOS hasn't been released...
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One more thing to add:
When you are viewing a filtered view of your list, either through search or clicking a tagged # or @, and you add a new bullet to the bottom, it will add it directly after the last item that is visible rather than the last item of all the hidden siblings in the list. Small detail, but this is in response to your first statement Frank of "It would be hard to think of anything you may have left out".
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